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Oh, no, no, no - PvE is not destroying this guild. Realistically, this guild is actually doing far better than it was before. We are moving onto 3 groups and when Rated Season came along (and Arenas) we did fine in the end. As a matter of fact, our team had a 92% W/L w/ Glass / Jager and I during Arenas on TOR. It was by far the greatest success - which I am damn proud of. So, in reality, SWTOR was a success and I'm happy about that. FF is also turning out to be a similar success - and I'm also happy about that too.

What exactly is not a success?

Lemme' guess

One person wanting their own selfish whims over the entirety of a group? Then they proceed to pull the 'friend' card, which imho is utter and complete bullshit. (If you're a real friend, why are you doing that, again? Shouldn't you be understanding?) I've been pretty embarrassed about the performance of the guild in early stages which HONESTLY leaned VERY heavily upon me and me alone. Do not try to fucking deny it. It was insanely stressful.

Alas, now that expansion begins and the guild evolves, some people aren't okay with the changes. Understandable. But my gripe is when management is turned into villains because we are trying to make a SUCCESSFUL unit that CAN last with or without me or you. So far, we are doing a DAMN good job of it. Credit to Zab, Tear and Naru mainly. All of us have been selfless, reasonable and productive in a TEAM effort in making sure the guild goes forward.

DO NOT give me that BS about friendship because if you're a friend, you wouldn't be antagonizing us when we are trying to make our home a stable place. I'm not going to spoil you because you want to through a tantrum due to being so utterly selfish. If you don't give a shit about other people, then the door's right there -->

You don't have to be in the PvE wing. That's totally fine. There will be a PvP wing too.
It's only fair those who show up and are dedicated to raid - raid. It's only fair those who want the top of the ladder will pvp with each other.
And it's only fair you respect that, 'friend'.

 

 



-- Edited by Shin on Tuesday 19th of November 2013 01:59:48 AM

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Shin wrote: I've been pretty embarrassed about the performance of the guild in early stages which HONESTLY leaned VERY heavily upon me and me alone. Do not try to fucking deny it. It was insanely stressful.

    I realize this stressed you out, and you definitely aren't to blame for the start of it, at least; but that is what happens when you enter the public eye. You were, and probably are, the most skilled player in the guild. The skill spoke for itself, but then the trash talking began, which wasn't you. Then you made your videos, which were a huge success, I don't know if you had planned for them to be that big or not.  Like it or not, the public was now watching you.  You now had to make tough choices between winning and having fun. Maybe you found a nice middle ground, maybe not.  I feel for you, I have not gone through life without disappointing anyone before, myself included. You just have to realize that most of it was self-induced, and I mean that in the most caring way possible, but you show no signs of trying to back out of the public eye, and with that comes the tough choices, and the stress.



-- Edited by Neo on Tuesday 19th of November 2013 02:07:20 AM

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Shin wrote:

Oh, no, no, no - PvE is not destroying this guild. Realistically, this guild is actually doing far better than it was before. We are moving onto 3 groups and when Rated Season came along (and Arenas) we did fine in the end. As a matter of fact, our team had a 92% W/L w/ Glass / Jager and I during Arenas on TOR. It was by far the greatest success - which I am damn proud of. So, in reality, SWTOR was a success and I'm happy about that. FF is also turning out to be a similar success - and I'm also happy about that too.

What exactly is not a success?

Alas, now that expansion begins and the guild evolves, some people aren't okay with the changes. Understandable. But my gripe is when management is turned into villains because we are trying to make a SUCCESSFUL unit that CAN last with or without me or you. So far, we are doing a DAMN good job of it. Credit to Zab, Tear and Naru mainly. All of us have been selfless, reasonable and productive in a TEAM effort in making sure the guild goes forward.

DO NOT give me that BS about friendship because if you're a friend, you wouldn't be antagonizing us when we are trying to make our home a stable place. I'm not going to spoil you because you want to through a tantrum due to being so utterly selfish. If you don't give a shit about other people, then the door's right there -->

You don't have to be in the PvE wing. That's totally fine. There will be a PvP wing too.
It's only fair those who show up and are dedicated to raid - raid. It's only fair those who want the top of the ladder will pvp with each other.
And it's only fair you respect that, 'friend'.


-- Edited by Shin on Tuesday 19th of November 2013 01:59:48 AM

   I guess I don't know your definition of "Success", 

suc·cess  (sschwa.gifk-sebreve.gifsprime.gif)

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1. The achievement of something desired, planned, or attempted: attributed their success in business to hard work.
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I have not been a super hardcore player since my WoW days, back when I just graduated High school and had no job, I was online constantly. And kudos if you can still pull that off, but most cannot. Everyone has responsibilities, and yea, it sucks if 7/8 people show up for a raid waiting for that last person to log on, but people need to know that they are not just expendable to a group. You cannot just replace them and act like it is no big deal, ESPECIALLY when it comes to raid lockouts.


-- Edited by Shin on Tuesday 19th of November 2013 02:21:03 AM

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Again, I may not know the full story of tonight, but someone gkicked Lion after he logged off.



-- Edited by Neo on Tuesday 19th of November 2013 02:39:55 AM

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   This Guild trying to become hardcore PvE'ers was obviously a mistake.  This guild was not built on the premise of PvE.  This is not WZ's, you can't just pick up a different player after one match.  We don't have only eight people whose schedules perfectly match week-to-week.  Our core people didn't just so happen to choose the exact class that was needed for everyone to be able to raid at the same time, because that thought didn't even occur to anyone, because THIS IS NOT A FUCKING PVE GUILD. Back when Rateds came out, not being happy with just knowing we were the best, we had to try every "Meta-Strategy" there was in Rated's, making people sit out because it wasn't the "Ideal Compilation".  We would always make fun of all the other Guilds, with all their drama bullshit, then we let it happen.  This is not any one person's fault, we all love being the best, but I would trade any title or gear for more fun times with you guys.  Let's everyone keep in mind that the other 7 people in your raid group are real people, with real lives, and some even have real families.  It's a small miracle to get eight people have nothing go wrong in their day making them late/miss a raid.  Raid if you want, but have fun with it.  We don't need server first anything, we already know we are the most skilled people on this shitty server.   Prepare to stomp some PUG's in 2.1 PvP. 

   If you told us two years ago what we would become now, we would publicly shame you for making up such bullshit.    I have been around (damn near) since the beginning of this Guild, and I'll still be here when it meets it demise, hopefully sometime in the distant future.  I can only speak for myself, but I am in Watchmen because I love all of you fuck-nuggets.  I love our time in SWTOR, I miss the old days, before things got more complicated.  Staying up til five in the morning, putting bounties on each other, pulling guildies into fire, laughing at people beg us to leave Ilum so the other side could have a fighting chance.  This is the first game that almost all of us have joined since SWTOR.  I have never regretted spending time with any of you, but Rated's almost broke us apart, and I'll be DAMNED if I let PvE be the final nail in our glorious fucking coffin.  So, swallow your pride, and EVERYONE apologize for all the bullshit that has been going on.  I'll even start, I am very sorry that I have sat silent this long.

 

This is not a Goodbye letter, It's a Hello. Let's make the plays that brought us together in the first place.

Welcome Back <Watchmen>.



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Pretty sure it's to late.

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I may be new here, but it would seem that Shin says it like it is when it comes to this topic. If you want to raid than raid, if you don't want to raid, than don't raid, but don't get mad at others for what they chose to do. Every game brings change because every game is different, if you were once all hard core PvP in your last game because you loved it and did not like the PvE, but in this game if you enjoy the PvE, than by all means, enjoy it!

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My perspective is that of a new member so take it for what it's worth.

The issue right now has nothing to do with trying to tinker with comps to find the ideal comp. The issue is simply scheduling. I enjoy playing with every single person in this FC and I would love to run coil with any and all of you. But the problem is, we need 8 people to do this content and we have to find times which work for everyone.

For the players who can only play late night or on the weekend, it's not by choice that we exclude you from the raid. But just like you can't just pick up and leave work 3 hours early to come to coil, some of us can't stay up until 4am or 5am when we have class/work/responsibilities which require that we wake up at a reasonable hour.

Hopefully PVP will be amazing, and we'll all have a chance to play together again. In the meantime, lets just hang out on mumble, play off games together and run some WP.

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I just like to have fun aww



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Uh actually, Karla is only the most skilled because I allow her to be. Btw karla ill accept my checks to keep holding back. Thx.

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Neo wrote:
Shin wrote: I've been pretty embarrassed about the performance of the guild in early stages which HONESTLY leaned VERY heavily upon me and me alone. Do not try to fucking deny it. It was insanely stressful.

    I realize this stressed you out, and you definitely aren't to blame for the start of it, at least; but that is what happens when you enter the public eye. You were, and probably are, the most skilled player in the guild. The skill spoke for itself, but then the trash talking began, which wasn't you. Then you made your videos, which were a huge success, I don't know if you had planned for them to be that big or not.  Like it or not, the public was now watching you.  You now had to make tough choices between winning and having fun. Maybe you found a nice middle ground, maybe not.  I feel for you, I have not gone through life without disappointing anyone before, myself included. You just have to realize that most of it was self-induced, and I mean that in the most caring way possible, but you show no signs of trying to back out of the public eye, and with that comes the tough choices, and the stress.

 The videos weren't meant to be big. Nothing more than mere creativity of a player that has potential. It was a mixture of both creativity and learning for myself. Then, they started going on the front page of youtube and stuff went uphill from there. I wasn't 100% on the public eye at first, but later down the line I understood my public image and came to terms with it and what I had to do. (Especially my latest return to TOR where I was nominated Rep) I'm fine with it, and it should be well known by now that Watchmen will always have a public eye's perception and standards we have to fulfill. We need to strive for the best or at least into elite standards, which, is a good ideal to strive for. Regardless of game or not. Yes, I wanted to fulfill the standards thoroughly. I could not just sit back and joke around like the rest of you. I had to make sure we were up and trying, dragging some of you when I needed too and frankly carrying and working my butt off when the time came. And for what?

For what?

To be told I'm a bad person?
I'm ruining stuff?

What the fuck?

REALLY?

Come on. I've sacrificed so much for this guild, including sponsorships for crying out loud. This isn't a 'poor-me' thing, because I don't want pity. I want you (as in a general 'you' and not you Neo) to fucking wake up and see what other people have been doing for 2. Damned. Years.

 



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Neo wrote:
I have not been a super hardcore player since my WoW days, back when I just graduated High school and had no job, I was online constantly. And kudos if you can still pull that off, but most cannot. Everyone has responsibilities...

Cool, so don't get mad at the people who can show up (who put off rl stuff to attend)

Neo wrote:
You cannot just replace them and act like it is no big deal, ESPECIALLY when it comes to raid lockouts.

 What are you even talking about? Do you even know what's been going on?



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Neo wrote:

 

Shin wrote:

Oh, no, no, no - PvE is not destroying this guild. Realistically, this guild is actually doing far better than it was before. We are moving onto 3 groups and when Rated Season came along (and Arenas) we did fine in the end. As a matter of fact, our team had a 92% W/L w/ Glass / Jager and I during Arenas on TOR. It was by far the greatest success - which I am damn proud of. So, in reality, SWTOR was a success and I'm happy about that. FF is also turning out to be a similar success - and I'm also happy about that too.

What exactly is not a success?

Alas, now that expansion begins and the guild evolves, some people aren't okay with the changes. Understandable. But my gripe is when management is turned into villains because we are trying to make a SUCCESSFUL unit that CAN last with or without me or you. So far, we are doing a DAMN good job of it. Credit to Zab, Tear and Naru mainly. All of us have been selfless, reasonable and productive in a TEAM effort in making sure the guild goes forward.

DO NOT give me that BS about friendship because if you're a friend, you wouldn't be antagonizing us when we are trying to make our home a stable place. I'm not going to spoil you because you want to through a tantrum due to being so utterly selfish. If you don't give a shit about other people, then the door's right there -->

You don't have to be in the PvE wing. That's totally fine. There will be a PvP wing too.
It's only fair those who show up and are dedicated to raid - raid. It's only fair those who want the top of the ladder will pvp with each other.
And it's only fair you respect that, 'friend'.


-- Edited by Shin on Tuesday 19th of November 2013 01:59:48 AM

   I guess I don't know your definition of "Success", 

suc·cess  (sschwa.gifk-sebreve.gifsprime.gif)

n.
1. The achievement of something desired, planned, or attempted: attributed their success in business to hard work.
2.
a. The gaining of fame or prosperity: an artist spoiled by success.
b. The extent of such gain.
3. One that is successful: The plan was a success.
 
 
 
I have not been a super hardcore player since my WoW days, back when I just graduated High school and had no job, I was online constantly. And kudos if you can still pull that off, but most cannot. Everyone has responsibilities, and yea, it sucks if 7/8 people show up for a raid waiting for that last person to log on, but people need to know that they are not just expendable to a group. You cannot just replace them and act like it is no big deal, ESPECIALLY when it comes to raid lockouts.



-- Edited by Shin on Tuesday 19th of November 2013 02:21:03 AM

 However, if we make a schedule and a person says they are going to be there and constantly does not show up, how much do 7 other people take before they say enough?  How much progress do they lose out on?  How much frustration do they take?  The fact is that when it comes to raid groups people ARE expendable if they do not show up, just like in a job.  Everyone is expendable in the raid group, including myself, Karla, Naru, Tear etc.  if they do not fulfill their responsibilities by showing up when they said they would show up, that is just disrespectful to the 7 other people that do show.



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So basically Neo, you want everyone to wait, sit and around and whittle their thumbs or play other games, for others and do something else until all of you original Watchmen members can be on at the same time to raid?

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Most importantly, back when we were just having fun and trash talking/stomping PUGs, we had nothing to lose. The public eye gave us something to lose, we were not consulted on this, and it really hit us hard when we got into rateds and were under-performing, I wasn't on a ton at that time, life and all interfered, but I could hear the disappoint in your voices, everyone was down about disappointing you, we never wanted that to happen. You are awesome, I have nothing but love and respect for you, you brought us all together, kept this website going, tried to make sure we always had a vent/mumble. You have no obligation to be the best anymore, Shin. Take a breath, you are surrounded by people who all care for eachother, whether you have skill or not. This Guild is a Success, just please stop Alienating people and unraveling all of your hard work.

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Neo wrote:

Most importantly, back when we were just having fun and trash talking/stomping PUGs, we had nothing to lose. The public eye gave us something to lose, we were not consulted on this, and it really hit us hard when we got into rateds and were under-performing, I wasn't on a ton at that time, life and all interfered, but I could hear the disappoint in your voices, everyone was down about disappointing you, we never wanted that to happen. You are awesome, I have nothing but love and respect for you, you brought us all together, kept this website going, tried to make sure we always had a vent/mumble. You have no obligation to be the best anymore, Shin. Take a breath, you are surrounded by people who all care for eachother, whether you have skill or not. This Guild is a Success, just please stop Alienating people and unraveling all of your hard work.

 I am sorry, but I don't think Shin is alienating anyone, people are choosing to alienate themselves by having a bad attitude, raging, not following through on commitments, and over all being mad that people still want to do things even if you can't instead of sitting around doing nothing. Life does not revolve around any one person! Life moves on with or with out you! You either adjust your sails and attitude, or continue on your path in to the storm. I don't really know most of you, and even if I did, my answer would be the same!



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I am not hardcore anymore, and this is not original versus newcomers, I have no issues with any of you. If I was still hardcore, yes, I would have an issue if my group went with someone else If got stuck in traffic. I did not know this was a consistent thing happening, but I am also not just talking about what happened tonight, which all I have to go on is what was in the chatbox when I got home. If tonight was the first time this has happened, I wouldn't even be writing this.


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If you care about your friends and the people in your raid group, how can you justify wasting their time like it doesn't matter? All of us have responsibilities. People put off spending time with their kid, going out with their friends and doing assignments to be available at raid time.

When we set a raid for Saturday at 7pm, all of us are putting off our social lives to be there. How can someone who 'cares' about us not give a shit about that?

Caring is a two way street.

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Neo wrote:

just please stop Alienating people and unraveling all of your hard work.

 I... haven't... been...



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Sounds like it's time to come back to swtor!  Almost full oberon gear on Drunk and realdy to rock.

 

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Dritzfury wrote:

Sounds like it's time to come back to swtor!  Almost full oberon gear on Drunk and realdy to rock.

 

Dritz

 come on mumble lol



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What the hell guys?! I take a couple of days off to watch some anime and shit hits the fan.
Can't leave you kids alone for a second.

also, FOCUS THE FUCK UP, THIS IS <WATCHMEN>!


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Togusa wrote:


also, FOCUS THE FUCK UP, THIS IS <WATCHMEN>!

 RIGHT?



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