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hello guys .. i got tired of my shadow its annoying thing to join ur guild team and u know that they got a better chance if they replace you with another class that do ur role much better .. i still wanna play a class like shadow that can dps and tank

so am asking which is better for rated a gurdian or vanguard tanking and dpsing ..

i kinda like the vanguard cuz their  dps is good (pyro BH ) and they can charge and pull if they r spec to tanks and they can tank good

so what do you guys think

+ if u guys could tell me what the pros and cons of each class so i can decide better

Thank you 



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For tanking, guardians. For DPS, assault vanguards are ridiculously strong right now.

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Well the Guardian is the better tank (guarding healers, team utility, survivability), but Vanguards do a lot more damage even when specced Defense. Also, they are ridiculously over powered if you ever change your mind and go DPS.
I'll be putting out a like... ~10 page guide on Guardian tanks in PvP, including a bunch of videos, here in a few days. It's going to be awesome. You're welcome to check back here then and check it out and see if it fits your play style.

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Anonymous wrote:

hello guys .. i got tired of my shadow its annoying thing to join ur guild team and u know that they got a better chance if they replace you with another class that do ur role much better .. i still wanna play a class like shadow that can dps and tank

so am asking which is better for rated a gurdian or vanguard tanking and dpsing ..

i kinda like the vanguard cuz their  dps is good (pyro BH ) and they can charge and pull if they r spec to tanks and they can tank good

so what do you guys think

+ if u guys could tell me what the pros and cons of each class so i can decide better

Thank you 

 VG has more flat mitigation for tanking but far less utility compared to say a Guardian. VG DPS is literally unmatched atm and this is why you're better off going that route. Leave the tanking to the Guardians :p.



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SO guardian brings more utility and more team support to the tabel ?



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tbh i dont care about numbers or anything all i care is lead my team to a win game 

iv done that with 23/1/17 as shadow like a solo player guarding a node while my friend cap it (force stun -> break stun -> force lift ) and helping guarding the healers to keep my team up and in hutball pulling the ball carryer and prevent them from scoring 



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Bottom line i would like to know which help the team most VG or guardian

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Bottom line i would like to know which help the team most VG or guardian

 Both do equally well in their respective fields. Guardians are arguably the best tanks and VGs are hands down the best DPS. None is above the other.



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I still don't think Guardians are the best tanks by leaps and bounds. Vanguard tanks provide several great things that Guardians don't.

 

AoE Stun

Raw damage reduction for the whole team (5% from either Ion Pulse, which is spammable, or Explosive Surge, which is AoE).

20% AoE Accuracy Debuff (VASTLY underrated ability imo)

Harpoon (which roots for 3 seconds)

Stealth Scan (which also roots for 3 seconds if it catches someone)

6s cooldown interrupt (12 points in Tactics, easy to get)

Higher base mitigation

Higher damage, substantial AoE

 

It's personal opinion as to whether you think that utility is outweighed by Guardian utility (I would say the Guardian probably has the edge, but not by all that much). If I were putting together a "perfect" team, it would probably have a Guardian tank (mostly for Huttball tbh). If I had to live with a Vanguard tank, I wouldn't be at all upset about it (and they're still amazing for Huttball, MUCH better at defense than Guardians entirely due to Harpoon).

 

DPS-wise, I'd say Vanguards are probably superior right now, but not worth stacking exclusively. Focus can put out a huge amount of pressure on healers with well-placed Force Sweeps and provides arguably more utility than an Assault VG, so they're not dead weight by any stretch.

 

Completely your call on what to roll, I'd base it more on playstyle than on which one is "better". Things are always going to get buffed and nerfed; rolling the FOTM class just to be the currently OP class is pointless.

 

My $0.02, take that for what it's worth.



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