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Update on Relics/Cubes/Adrenals, etc.

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http://dulfy.net/2012/06/13/pts-1-3-update-1changes-to-relics-augment-kits-and-exotech-adrenals/

Matrix Cubes are slightly buffed which is nice (+6-8 all stats).

Not sure about the new PvP Relics though.. I mean they seem pretty good tbh but still might use the Black Hole 'on hit' Relic. From what I read though the PvE Relics will remain unchanged which means if you don't mind losing Expertise you can still keep the burst 'on use' ability??

We can buy the Exotech Stim Schematics finally which is BiS, although non-reusable means kind of expensive upkeep.

All crafted adrenals will be banned from PvP aside from WZ Adrenals which can only be crafted (not bought). In order to craft PvP Adrenals you have to have some gathered mats from Bionalysis as well as PvP mats which must be bought in bulk for... 1000 WZ comms. The 1000 WZ comm mat box contains between 20-30 (random within that range) PvP crafting mats. Each Adrenal costs 1 of those mats in addition to the Bioanalysis mats. So.. not only will they cost Credits to make (sending companions on Bio missions) they now cost 3-5 times more than they did before (1000 WZ Comms bought 100 before and now buy 20-30). And all this for an Adrenal that only buffs survivability (15% increased damage reduction for 20sec.). Ugh.



-- Edited by glassJAw on Saturday 16th of June 2012 07:36:19 PM

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Interesting. Definitely will be needing to test to see how it goes.

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You know, the more I think about it the better the new PvP relics seem.

Let's look at the tank one vs the Matrix Cube:

Matrix vs. PvP

59 str vs. 57 exp

68 end vs. 41 end

21 def vs. 113 def

Trading 59 str for 57 expertise seems like a great value since I don't care about damage much while expertise still increases damage, buffs my survivability and my healing (Focused Defense and Guardian Leap).

Downgrading 68 end to 41 end makes me cringe and might make this decision closer than it should be tbh but... meh, I guess it's not that big of a deal.

Ummm 21 def becomes 113 def. Ya, huge buff. No question.

So all in all the new PvP relic outshines the Matrix Cube for me as a tank.

Let's take a look at the Consular one (since it's the one I know the second most about):

Matrix vs. PvP

56 end vs. 41 end

66 will vs. 113 power

27 crit vs. 57 exp

Downgrading 56 end to 41 end is def something to keep in mind but all in all not a huge change.

Comparing 66 will power to 113 power is interesting. I believe it's about a 1 to 1 conversion in terms of damage (although WP adds crit which Power does not) which makes the 113 power obviously better.

Losing 27 crit sucks but isn't that big of a deal I guess. You have Force Potency (idk the name of the Consular equivalent) that grants 100% crit chance for your big moves so I'm guessing it's not that big of a deal. Expertise buffs your overall damage as well as increases your survivability and heals.

While the tank PvP Relic is pretty obviously better than its Matrix Cube counterpart, this swap will take some testing to figure out which is the best.

Keep in mind that you can wear two of these, as they are not unique bound as of yet. Anyways, what do you guys think?

Edit: Fixed the Consular comparison.



-- Edited by glassJAw on Saturday 16th of June 2012 08:32:52 PM

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First off it's a 60% crit buff.
Second, WOW @ new pvp relic vs matrix cube.

Think I'll just be maining 2 pvp relics at this point. 113 Power > 66 WP any day of the week. In addition, more expertise.

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Oh ya lol, been so long since I've played that class. 60% plus your base crit so it almost always crits.
But ya, new PvP Relics seem insane.
However my max health build (what I'll strut around the fleet with) will include the Black Hole Relic and the Matrix Cube :3

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Your new goal is 27k :0

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I was thinking 26k, since he's only "almost" 25k from what I hear.

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Currently at 24700 exactly.

8 new 18 end augment slots = +144 end = +1440 hp = 26140

Then +44 end from the Black Hole Relic = 26580.

Plus the +8 end buff that the Matrix Cube will be getting = 26660.

There will be a little bonus from the 1% T-7 buff, as well as the Trooper buff increasing the added health a bit, but from the looks of it I can't get 27k :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((



-- Edited by glassJAw on Saturday 16th of June 2012 10:11:29 PM

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glassJAw wrote:

currently at 24700 exactly.
8 new 18 end augment slots = +144 end = +1440 hp = 26140
Then +44 end from the Black Hole Relic = 26580.
There will be a little bonus from the 1% T-7 buff, as well as the Trooper buff increasing the added health a bit, but from the looks of it I can't get 27k :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((


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Ugh, no more on use power? I suppose, technically, +108 power all the time is a moderate DPS increase but sustained DPS is not my class' role.

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Lion wrote:

Ugh, no more on use power? I suppose, technically, +108 power all the time is a moderate DPS increase but sustained DPS is not my class' role.


 Still need to find some concrete evidence but from what I understand you can stil use the PvE Relics which have on use abilities. They have been nerfed though. Before it was around 400+ power and now it's high 200s or low 300s I think, but they last 30 seconds instead of 20. Anyways, you lose expertise and stuff but it could be worth it for you.



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glassJAw wrote:
Lion wrote:

Ugh, no more on use power? I suppose, technically, +108 power all the time is a moderate DPS increase but sustained DPS is not my class' role.


 Still need to find some concrete evidence but from what I understand you can stil use the PvE Relics which have on use abilities. They have been nerfed though. Before it was around 400+ power and now it's high 200s or low 300s I think, but they last 30 seconds instead of 20. Anyways, you lose expertise and stuff but it could be worth it for you.


With the changes to gaining so much passive stats (IE: Power) maybe the change is warranted?

 



-- Edited by Shinarika on Sunday 17th of June 2012 02:53:00 PM

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Well the PvE Relics didn't get a passive Power stat boost. They're the same as before with a nerf to the Power increase and a buff to duration.

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